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Post by liverpoolman1 on Mar 7, 2012 8:07:03 GMT 1
Oh come on Vanguard, this is all speculation. Another day has dawned so look at the positives in life. Doom and gloom is self-perpetuating so lets wait until we hear what the Ryanair plans are before we start donning the sack cloth. Any business worth its salt will have a contingency plan in place and that applies to the Management team at LJLA. They must despair if they read this forum and see all these negative messages. Nothing personal but don't despair until you find there is something - if there is anything - to despair about.
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Post by steh on Mar 7, 2012 8:45:44 GMT 1
The way RYANAIR's boss goes on about things i would not be surprised he pulled the plug on LPL, sorry but thats what i fear will happen and if EASY don't put more routes in place they could do the same,hope not but who knows. sorry about the doom and gloom. I can understand the edginess, but as delta154 says, the cuts in routes leave gaps in the day and wouldnt equate to an aircraft being pulled out so theres a good chance they will replace them with a new route altogether that isnt served from the north west |
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Post by binders on Mar 7, 2012 11:56:55 GMT 1
Thanks Delta 54.
I rang them this morning , they are giving me a refund but no apology.
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Post by LPL on Mar 7, 2012 16:04:20 GMT 1
Quick scan of FR departures for the peak third week of August gives us 128 by based aircraft plus 12 by non-based aircraft = 140.
Last year, same week, was 160 by based aircraft plus 20 by non-based = 180.
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Post by charlie on Mar 7, 2012 19:03:39 GMT 1
it sems to me that the airport is haemorrehaging routes away and nothing seems to be filling the void,and yet the management seem to be sitting on their hands,with nothing new coming in only silence.O leary says there will be no growth here well he is certainly making sure of that while increasing his lot from man,and the same for eaz to.People on here are concerned yes we know its the economics of it all but lpl is suffering to,and at times emotions and feelings run deep,but it gives no comfort when all we hear is the sound of silence
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Post by LPL on Mar 7, 2012 19:14:40 GMT 1
No, he said 'there would be no decline'.
He/they need to get their finger out to infill.
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Post by maverick on Mar 7, 2012 20:21:49 GMT 1
it sems to me that the airport is haemorrehaging routes away and nothing seems to be filling the void,and yet the management seem to be sitting on their hands,with nothing new coming in only silence.O leary says there will be no growth here well he is certainly making sure of that while increasing his lot from man,and the same for eaz to.People on here are concerned yes we know its the economics of it all but lpl is suffering to,and at times emotions and feelings run deep,but it gives no comfort when all we hear is the sound of silence Rumour has it that Nick Smillie the Aviation Sales director has gone. Although he started at RHADS he spent a lot of time at Liverpool. He jointed Peel Airports in 2008. Rats on a sinking ship or Canadian management cull? |
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Post by ronturner on Mar 8, 2012 7:24:43 GMT 1
The reduction in planned activity is of concern, but silence does not mean inactivity on the part of the management. ( I hope)
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Post by tonyspeke on Mar 8, 2012 7:47:18 GMT 1
LPL yours figures for RYR flights are lower than that listed my post number 45 (less 9 for the dropped routes.
Where are the other differences?
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Post by LPL on Mar 8, 2012 10:58:23 GMT 1
LPL yours figures for RYR flights are lower than that listed my post number 45 (less 9 for the dropped routes. Where are the other differences? Alicante / ALC = 4 Barcelona / BCN = 7 Bergerac / EGC = 2 Bratislava / BTS = 3 Carcassonne / CCF = 2 City of Derry / LDY = 7 Cork / ORK = 5 (2*non-based) Dublin / DUB = 24 (5*non-based) Faro / FAO = 6 (4*non-based) Fuerteventura / FUE = 2 Ibiza / IBZ = 3 Kaunas / KUN = 2 Knock / NOC = 7 Kos / KGS = 1 Krakow / KRK = 4 Lanzarote / ACE = 2 Las Palmas / LPA = 1 Limoges / LIG = 4 Lodz / LCJ = 2 Malaga / AGP = 7 Murcia / MJV = 4 Nimes / FNI = 3 Oslo Torp / TRF = 4 Palma / PMI = 6 Pisa / PSA = 2 (1*non-based) Porto / OPO = 3 Poznan / POZ = 2 Reus / REU = 5 Rhodes / RHO = 2 Riga / RIX = 3 Shannon / SNN = 3 Szeczin / SZZ = 2 Tenerife South / TFS = 3 Wroclaw / WRO = 3 Based = 128 NB = 12 total = 140 Number of routes = 35 |
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Post by andyh on Mar 8, 2012 19:45:33 GMT 1
The reduction in planned activity should surely come as no surprise. Airport bosses have said on more than one occasion that 2013 would be a year of consolidation and times remain tough. We should also not falll into the trap of thinking that the year is squeezed into the six months of summer...it may be Ryanair is trading off lower capacity over the summer for greater capacity over the winter, smoothing out their overall through flow over the year. It might also be (I can but hope) that the Airport wants to do further improvements to arrivals or replace the temporary structures at the western end of the building, which could not be done unless throughput fell temporarily.
As for the departure of the Aviation Sales Director perhaps he didn't achieve enough 'sales'...it only becomes cause for concern if they don't replace him...!
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Post by tonyspeke on Mar 11, 2012 22:15:39 GMT 1
Since my post on 7th February Ryanair have trimmed the following flights from their summer schedule.
Almeria - route pulled before it started. No Thu & Sun flights.
Bergerac - Thu flight cancelled
Carcassonne - Thu flight cancelled
Faro - Mon flight cancelled
Las Palmas - Fri flight cancelled leaving just 1 flight a week
Kos - Wed flight cancelled leaving just 1 flight a week
Malaga - 2nd Fri flight cancelled
Milan - route pulled. No flights Mon, Wed & Fri. Last flight on route due 23/03
Murcia - Mon flight cancelled
Palma - Sat flight cancelled
Rimini - route pulled. No flights Wed & Sun
Rome - route pulled. No flights Tue & Sat. Last flight on route due 24/03
The only good news is the extra Tuesday flight to Porto during August only.
I have not found any other peak summer only flights.
17 flights-a-week down, I presume is one based aircraft.
This is on top of the 21 flights already trimmed.
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Post by steh on Mar 12, 2012 23:52:10 GMT 1
I booked in January to fly to Las Palmas in June Monday-Monday so am not effected and hopefully wont be. What had surprised me when I booked though is I was open minded about where to go so just did a skyscanner search for Liverpool to Spain on the dates I wanted and this came up cheapest with better fares than Alicante and Malaga. This would indicate demand for this route wasnt too high, but a return is over £350 now before any other charges so I guess everyone booked on the Friday has been put onto the Monday flight. From their point of view its ok flying a short hop to Ireland with a 50% load but they obviously wont want to do it for a 4 hour flight, I dread to think how long they'll go down the aisles with the scratchcards and other money making ideas but we'll manage.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Apr 3, 2012 14:00:17 GMT 1
We flew out to LPA last Monday, returning yesterday. The outbound flight had a rather concerning load of only 106, the return leg (including rebooked passenders from the now cancelled Friday flight) had 157. Not great loads, a couple who are regulars advised that their previous flights in January were also lighly populated. A 4 hour delay courtesy of french ATC doesnt help!
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Apr 4, 2012 6:49:48 GMT 1
For those of us who are busy people and don't have lists of airport codes, would correspondents please use destination names instead of codes? Just a thought.
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