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Post by ronturner on Mar 15, 2020 7:57:22 GMT 1
At least this epidemic looks as though it might be (relatively) short lived. I hope the government, UK France and others, support businesses in this time, Like they did when the banks cheated us all and went belly up a few years ago.
We have, for the most part, successful businesses that might be in for a hard time. Let us not let them go to the wall, even if it means eventually having to suffer some higher taxes. In any case, right now, money is cheap to borrow. (Just look at how much the UK increased its borrowing in the budget this week.) So businesses should be able to survive on cheap borrowed money if backed by a government promise.
Just to highlight how cheap money is right now, here at Atlantic Air Park we are faced with some serious runway and taxiway repairs. About 50,000 Euro. We got a 10 year loan from our bank at 0.95%.
Here in France, the government has already made it clear that businesses will be supported. Schools are closed, ( albeit of doubtful impact) and all those who cannot get to work because of it, or being told to stay at home by their employers, are being paid by the government (us, eventually.) Forms already on line. Things like that.
I wonder, if in the future, it might be possible to screen people for temperature and other factors as they go through airport security. This would perhaps, stop or limit the numbers of people travelling before they get on an aeroplane. Useful research for somebody perhaps. Its an ill wind …..
Finally, I hops when this is all over the Chinese with their filthy animal and market hygiene practices are made to pay. Even if it means we think long and hard about buying stuff made there. (Been there. Seen it. Disgusted. Vowed never to go again.)
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Post by jetdragon on Mar 15, 2020 8:25:09 GMT 1
Australia - all arrivals 14 day isolation as of midnight tonight. Interesting implications for those currently in the air en-ruote!
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Post by jetdragon on Mar 15, 2020 8:27:05 GMT 1
At least this epidemic looks as though it might be (relatively) short lived. Finally, I hops when this is all over the Chinese with their filthy animal and market hygiene practices are made to pay. Even if it means we think long and hard about buying stuff made there. (Been there. Seen it. Disgusted. Vowed never to go again.) Aussie PM quoting a 6 month period of activity for the virus - takes us into (our) next Spring Last article I read Ron, the Chinese are trying to imply that America was the primary source, with US Military bringing it into China!!
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Post by lfc84 on Mar 15, 2020 11:19:29 GMT 1
I reckon uk government want peak asap. To hell with people's live and the NHS. They just want to minimise economic impact and declare it's all over
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Post by bulldog on Mar 15, 2020 11:45:55 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s actually that simple . If everyone does truly isolate , which won’t happen anyway. In say 2 weeks when it is said virus is non contagious , everyone then starts mixing again. The actual virus will then suddenly spread around people who had isolated but did not have the virus. Italy as currently an example is not yet showing decrease in numbers despite lockdown. Interesting statistic( if correct) in paper this am, so far in 2020 since jan9 worldwide 314k people have died from TB. 154k fromHiv/AIDS , 80k from malaria. While in no way trying to minimise that this is a dangerous disease , we all need to maintain some proportion at this juncture. Going back in time people used to deliberately expose young females to German measles in parties. That was a way of creating herd immunity in one particular age group.
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Post by kuga59 on Mar 15, 2020 11:53:33 GMT 1
Hi Ron About 10 years ago went to Taba in Egypt during one of the previous pandemics. In the arrivals hall everyone had to complete a questionnaire which was then reviewed by a medical official prior to entry. It was only when you where the other side of the passport control area you realised that everyone was being screened for a high temperature, as there where screens showing each persons face with a heat picture.
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Post by LPL on Mar 15, 2020 12:05:52 GMT 1
I reckon uk government want peak asap. To hell with people's live and the NHS. They just want to minimise economic impact and declare it's all over No they said the opposite, they have repeatedly said that they aim to flatten the peak out as to take the strain out of the system.
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Post by lfc84 on Mar 15, 2020 12:12:56 GMT 1
What they say and what they do......
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Post by johnoakes on Mar 15, 2020 12:18:57 GMT 1
[/font]Dianne Abbot woild have it all sorted in a minute or was that a millennia.LOL
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Post by baldyman26 on Mar 15, 2020 19:29:24 GMT 1
I don't know what will be more damaging, the virus or the aftermath...
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Post by Airbus A346 on Mar 15, 2020 19:35:43 GMT 1
EBACE 2020 in Geneva at the end of May has been cancelled today.
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Post by rolyatr on Mar 15, 2020 21:04:52 GMT 1
Benidorm update. (Sunday 8pm)Just had a note shoved under the door. ALL hotels in resort are closing by this Wednesday. Jet2 arranging rescue flights.
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Post by viscount on Mar 15, 2020 22:31:14 GMT 1
Despite Spain's roads being announced as 'locked down', had to make an airport run Sunday afternoon, with a family member to catch the afternoon Ryanair to Liverpool. The coast-road near deserted, but open - fortunately even the petrol stations were open, as I required fuel to get home! Ryanair did keep her fairly well informed by text and e-mail that the flight was operating, but that all Ryanair flights to Spain would cease at midnight Sunday. On Saturday afternoon the Velez-Malaga town supermarkets were near deserted, well stocked with many food items, but had no fresh or frozen meat, potatoes or onions - plenty of toilet rolls though! The local village supermarket had a mountain of potatoes for sale at the same time, but had closed their fresh meat counter early, but still had stock. All bars and restaurants closed.
2020 looks to be shaping up to be a long 'lost summer' (especially for the 'self isolating' over-65s) this year before collective normality is slowly regained. Only then it will become evident just how hard the transport, hospitality and retail industries and their suppliers have been hit, locally and globally.
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Post by ronturner on Mar 16, 2020 8:23:43 GMT 1
The aviation scene in my part of France. (Vendéé on the west coast.)
Ryanair still flying and still bookable to La Rochelle. Chalair still flying to Lyon. Even in normal times this is a publicly supported route being deemed essential connectivity.) Most other Chalair routes in France cancelled.
Generally Air France and HOP severely reduced all over France. Also long distance trains are being slowly withdran to discourage long distance travel. Air France and others still flying to the French departments abroad and expected to keep doing so. Terminals at Paris Airport consolidated.
At our flying club we have a regime of cleaning before and after every flight. Simple things like washing hands and wiping the surfaces of doors, towing gear, control sticks, switches, flap controls,levers and knobs, and seat belt anchorages etc. Again both before and after every flight. Just simple measures to limit the risks of transmission.
On the social side, lots of stuff closed down, All non food shops, cafes, bars and cinemas. Rather a shame because I am a great fan of the live transmissions direct from the Royal Ballet and The Royal Opera, So I get to miss Jonas Kaufmann in Fidelio on Tuesday. Weather has turned very spring like and we are enjoying walks in the forests and beaches, both of which are gorgeous and quite deserted.
On the positive side, Janette and I visited the supermarket on Saturday, which was pretty well stocked. We helped ourselves to a load of wine, cognac, fois gras, cheeses and brioche. We have decided to self isolate until stocks run out.
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Post by johnoakes on Mar 16, 2020 14:41:14 GMT 1
Here in Spain for the winter. No restrictions other than be very careful and take obvious precautions. Supermarkets open ,restaurants closed except on the camp site but no public access allowed. Bar open. Supermarket imposed proximity barriers to prevent contact and all staff with masks. Shelves NOT empty.loo roll available but not much pasta.lol. Shelves are being replenished as the day goes on so no real hardship or shortages. Local producers would be finished if they could not get goods to their customers. Fêtes cancelled and football etc. Camp site beginning to empty. We return to France on the 10th April after the four month stay. Guaranteed border crossing for our car journey back. Unnecessary travel is being discouraged and enforced by the police. Our age group is the most at risk and is the majority on this site,most are making plans to leave a bit earlier. Strictly no panic buying and life as usual. No shortages. Mature people managing a crisis.. Sad my little rabbit passed away because he loved it here.
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