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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 12:50:23 GMT 1
Lets hope KLM and/or Liverpool airport do some promotions for this highly important link, I feel it is LPL last and best chance to get connected to the wider world, if it fails, forget about anyone else offering a link to their European hub. I would not hold out much hope for local travel agents, prior to Direct Holidays, Easyjet, Ryanair there knowledge of what you could do from LPL was scant....all be it there was little to offer in those days
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Post by sfp on Apr 23, 2009 17:52:03 GMT 1
I suggest that everyone that has any interest in Liverpool Airport - spotter, members of FoLA, NWAN Forum members, employees of the airport company or one of the many companies doing business with the airport (tenants, suppliers of buses, coaches and rail services etc......) - get in touch with travel agents and always ask for a service connecting to LJLA.
Ensure they look up the KLM service by seeking a worldwide destination connected to Liverpool.
Then report back on here on the thread that is being opened up on the subject.
Let's all play a part in ensuring there is wider knowledge of the services available.
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Post by LPL on Apr 24, 2009 12:27:23 GMT 1
I have noticed that on some sites the KLM fights are listed with a Air France codeshare. KL1037/AF8321 arr 0950 KL1041/AF8323 arr 1650 KL1045/AF8325 arr 2055 The Schiphol site is also listing a Northwest Airlines codeshare too. KL1037/AF8321/NW8710 arr 0950 KL1041/AF8323/NW8717 arr 1650 KL1045/AF8325/NW8719 arr 2055 Kenya Airways codeshare has been added to the LPL KLM AMS flights. The codeshare is on the first and last flights in both directions. They are using the same numbers as KLM but with the KQ prefix. |
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Post by northbynorthwest on Apr 24, 2009 15:29:39 GMT 1
Actual bookings are 0+77 as of last night. Does that mean none in business and 77 in Economy? Yes, indeed, none booked in business and 77 in economy. Actually, there ended up 4 people up front and around 80 in the back - but two of those upfront were there to fix the broken KLM F70, the other two were probably upgrades. Fortunately for me as airline employee, this flight was upgraded to a F100 as otherwise I would not have got on. (I presume due to the broken aircraft in LPL and the possible need to combine loads for the two morning flights out of LPL.) The flight was full of people returning from Easter breaks - many families with kids, and was a very similar mix to all the other flights leaving AMS at the same time to other UK airports. Returning to AMS on Thursday early morning flight, we had a grand total of 14 on board, including one in business. All were transfering in AMS. Mix was a couple of business men, a couple of couples, rest individual travellers. Granted it was just after Easter, and Thursday a.m. is not the busiest for business travellers - but this is not good. |
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Post by LPL on Apr 24, 2009 15:31:59 GMT 1
KLM is promoting Liverpool in its latest sale (travel before 30th June) on its Dutch website www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/campaigns/local/eur.htm . The fare is 99euros return. Among other destinations are Manchester (169euros), Edinburgh (169 euros), Moscow (299euros) and St Petersburg (299euros). |
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Post by lplflyer on Apr 24, 2009 16:13:51 GMT 1
Missed Opportunity
I received a copy of TTG today which includes a pull-out supplement giving details of flights to the Caribbean from UK airports.
Might seem small but it still irritates me that LPL is not being mentioned, whereas the supplement was listing possible flights by KLM via AMS to places like Aruba, St Maarten etc from every other UK airport from which KLM fly, but LPL is still being omitted.
No wonder agents are still unaware of the service when the trade press they are reading is omitting the information!
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Post by RICEY on Apr 25, 2009 17:53:48 GMT 1
bit off topic but how many embraers have klm got? by the way my bus site now has an aviation section as i requested. feel free to join www.dartslf.com/forum |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 20:33:51 GMT 1
bit off topic but how many embraers have klm got? by the way my bus site now has an aviation section as i requested. feel free to join www.dartslf.com/forumIf your refering to the E190, they have 20 on order of which 3 have been delivered. These being PH-EZA, B and C. I take it your 4111 on the DartSlf site then  |
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Post by eye2eye5 on Apr 26, 2009 13:28:43 GMT 1
Travelled with my wife on the KL1038 on Thursday morning, about 25 passengers on board including 1 in business. The majority appeared to be interlining, the family behind were flying onwards to Minsk.
The return KL1045 on Saturday evening was probably carrying around 50, no business but judging from conversations and languages spoken, a significant number again were interlining (the girl next to me had come from Vienna). Quite a high proportion of far eastern travellers was evident.
Loads lower than desirable, but a good mix. Taking AMS traffic off easyJet would be of little benefit to either carrier.
Taking up on previous comments reminds me of difficult days pre easyJet when FOLA members took it on themselves to visit Travel Agents with a view to raising the profile of services available from Liverpool. I wonder what proportion of travellers uses a Travel Agent now? The Internet is surely the way to go and fare structure/number of connections probably high up on the agenda of most travellers?
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Post by RICEY on Apr 26, 2009 14:38:16 GMT 1
yep thats me ste lol. thought they had more than that
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Post by samsalt on Apr 27, 2009 23:21:27 GMT 1
Travelled with my wife on the KL1038 on Thursday morning, about 25 passengers on board including 1 in business. The majority appeared to be interlining, the family behind were flying onwards to Minsk. The return KL1045 on Saturday evening was probably carrying around 50, no business but judging from conversations and languages spoken, a significant number again were interlining (the girl next to me had come from Vienna). Quite a high proportion of far eastern travellers was evident. Loads lower than desirable, but a good mix. Taking AMS traffic off easyJet would be of little benefit to either carrier. Taking up on previous comments reminds me of difficult days pre easyJet when FOLA members took it on themselves to visit Travel Agents with a view to raising the profile of services available from Liverpool. I wonder what proportion of travellers uses a Travel Agent now? The Internet is surely the way to go and fare structure/number of connections probably high up on the agenda of most travellers? |
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Post by samsalt on Apr 28, 2009 0:28:26 GMT 1
Sorry, new to the revised system and miss posted earlier.
With the first month of KLM operations from Liverpool nearly over and whilst one cannot afford to be complacent in the current climate, it would appear from trade sources that the KLM are pleased with the Liverpool operation. The service is now bookable till April 2010.
There is one blip in the scheduling and that is from 9th Jan 2010 through to 17 February 2010 the route only sustains 2 flights per day ,Outbound early and mid morning Inbound Morning and the evening flight. This is no reflection on Liverpool and is standard procedure with KLM to reduce frequencies from many regional airports during what is judged to be a very quiet time for most airlines. The airline will re-instate the flight if forward bookings exceed forecast during this quiet time. It is a pity that the late afternoon flight is not operating in Jan as my own company has tried to reserve passengers travelling to the Far East KUL and SIN but has had to offer MAN due to the long lay over in Amsterdam.
In respect of the Travel Trade the key players are very much behind the service and my understanding that long haul to the US, Canada and Far East are all doing well.
Business Class for all airlines is very difficult at this time, companies have strict disciplines and have drastically cut travel budgets, when the downturn is over the market will return. BA have for the last six months had some unbelievable discounted fares in business class with LHR JFK being available for just over 1k return.
It is now unthinkable for this service to fail, the consequences would be very serious.
Dependent on the success of KLM, I am sure Air France will follow and I don't believe that Lufthansa would sit and do nothing along with SN Brussels Airlines.
Bristol now sustains KLM, Aifrance, Lufthansa, SN Brussels and SAS.
KLM is the greatest opportunity for Liverpool since the departure of BMI.
I dont believe that there is any conflict in respect of easy Jet or Ryanair two different operations. KL will not have made the decision to operate from Liverpool to be reliant on sector traffic to Amsterdam, the judgment will be based on interline to Europe, Canada, USA , Middle East and Far East.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2009 13:12:47 GMT 1
Travelled with my wife on the KL1038 on Thursday morning, about 25 passengers on board including 1 in business. The majority appeared to be interlining, the family behind were flying onwards to Minsk. The return KL1045 on Saturday evening was probably carrying around 50, no business but judging from conversations and languages spoken, a significant number again were interlining (the girl next to me had come from Vienna). Quite a high proportion of far eastern travellers was evident. Loads lower than desirable, but a good mix. Taking AMS traffic off easyJet would be of little benefit to either carrier. Taking up on previous comments reminds me of difficult days pre easyJet when FOLA members took it on themselves to visit Travel Agents with a view to raising the profile of services available from Liverpool. I wonder what proportion of travellers uses a Travel Agent now? The Internet is surely the way to go and fare structure/number of connections probably high up on the agenda of most travellers? I remember those days (and I was a travel agent myself then) i would visit agents around Huyton/Rainhill/Prescot......what an up-hill struggle, most were not interested. I think it likely that still many business travellers do use agents for their flights. It is important that the KLM route is promoted particularly here. |
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Post by johnferrari on Apr 30, 2009 19:35:17 GMT 1
As a business traveller based in Northwich I could fly from LPL or MAN to AMS. I asked the admin dept to look at both options. Going out Thursday morning, returning Friday tea-time in 2 weeks time. The fares (economy) were KLM MAN £400, KLM LPL £190 EZY £100. I've selected KLM LPL as the timings are better than EZY (don't need to catch the 'red-eye' so opting for the leisurely 10 am-ish). John
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Post by LPL on Apr 30, 2009 23:43:12 GMT 1
Noticed today that KLM are advertising its interlining exMAN on Smooth Radio, no mention of Liverpool.
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